“In other words, I don't know whether you are speaking now as a scientist or as a philosopher about people's intuitions about choosing. I mean, most people in the United States, if you ask them on a public poll, you'll get intuitions about whether there's angels in the universe, you know, all kinds of things. So are you saying scientifically speaking people's intuitions about choosing requires the incompatibalist's view or is there a division there scientifically speaking about what people's intuitions are?”— Amy Gutmann (2014), comment
“But whether you have a full-blown metaphysical view of human nature where we're bodies and souls joined somehow, everybody agrees that there's a body.”— Joshua Green (2014), comment
“I think that whether or not you think, when it comes to the proximate causes of behavior, just brains, or whether you think that we are brains that are in some sense being animated by minds or souls that are distinct from brains, brains are still what most immediately cause behavior.”— Joshua Green (2014), comment
“There are lots of studies like this. There are some that go the other way. It's a little complicated. I myself did a study about whether souls are required for free will. I had about 280 subjects.”— Alfred Mele (2014), comment
“I didn’t understand value premises (‘freedom’, ‘security’), because it seemed to me that, no matter what your most favored value is, there could always be other considerations that take precedence. Sure, freedom is important, but is it everything? Sure, security is important, but is it everything? How can there be one preeminent value?”
“The final state of equilibrium is a compromise between the ‘freedom’ term, ΔS°/R, and the ‘security’ term, a – ΔH°/RT. To repeat, the final state of equilibrium, then, is a compromise between two more or less opposing factors: greater freedom or greater entropy, as measure by ΔS°/R; and greater security or lesser energy, as measured by – ΔH°/RT.”
“Then I discovered utilitarianism, the philosophy pioneered by Jeremy Bentham and John Mill. Utilitarianism is a great idea with an awful name. It is, in my opinion, the most underrated and misunderstood idea in all of moral and political philosophy.”
“Does God attach the soul when the head of sperm makes contact with the zona pellucida? Or does ensoulment occur when the sperm hits the cell membrane? Is it enough for all of the sperm’s genetic material to enter the egg cell? Or does God wait until the male pronucleus and the female pronucleus have fused? All the way fused, or partway? Whatever it is that makes people worth of moral consideration, these things don’t all appear in one magic moment. Without a magic moment to believe in, pro-choicers simply have to draw the line somewhere, while acknowledging that the line they’ve drawn is somewhat arbitrary.” (pg. 326)
“In the beginning, there was primordial soup. Cooperative molecules formed larger molecules, some of which could make copies of themselves and surround themselves with protective films. Cooperative cells merged to form complex cells, and then cooperative clusters of cells. Life grew increasingly complex, finding again and again the magic corner in which individual sacrifice buys collective success, from bees to bonobos.” (pg. 347)
“There’s no magic formula, no bright line between the extremes of perfectionism and unbridled gluttony … just an ill-defined Goldilocks zone between the two extremes.” (pgs. 256-57)
“Beg, said another way, if you prefer not to digress on yourself, in what year did Goethe, in your view, come “alive”? Possible answers, from you, might include: the hour his parents, Johann Caspar Goethe (1710-1782) and Catherina Elizabeth Goethe (1731-1808), had intercourse (sex), calculated to have occurred at noon on 21 Dec 1748, see Goethe timeline sketch: (Ѻ), a process which leads to the five-step mechanism by which the interaction of the sperm and the egg to form zygote generally proceeds (Ѻ), or the hour at which he emerged from the birth canal, which he says occurred at noon on 28 Aug 1749, and took his first breath, or the year he reached the age of one, which occurred on 28 Aug 1750, being that some cultures don’t recognize infants as people until they reach the age of one, or some other hour or day, e.g. when the brain begins to form (week three), when blastocyst that will be the baby splits to form the placenta and the embryo (week four), when the heart begins to beat (week five), when the embryo begins to move in the womb (week eight), when embryo turns into fetus and begins breathing-like movements (week nine), when the fetus begins to have eye movement (fourteen weeks), when fetus begins to feel pain and suck their thumb (twenty weeks), when fetus begins to dream as evidenced by REM (week twenty-six), or possibly some time before inception, e.g. the second when his father first fell in love, at first sight, with his mother, light (electromagnetic field in 400-700 nm range) being the trigger to surpassing the activation energy barrier to this reaction, which would have occurred on or about the year 1746-47 (pair married on 20 Aug 1748), or alternatively, as Francis Crick intuits, one is never alive at any point in one’s reaction existence?”
“Metamorality is a higher level moral system that adjudicates [settles judicially] among competing tribal moralities [e.g. French atheists vs Pakistani Muslims], just as a tribe’s morality adjudicates among competing individuals.”
“Ongoing debates over taxes, healthcare, immigration, affirmative action, abortion, end-of-life issues, stem cell research, capital punishment, gay rights, the teaching of evolution in public schools, animal rights, environmental regulation, and the regulation of the financial industry.”
See main: Hallway study; See also: Sidewalk studyGreen, citing several notable "studies", devotes several pages to the so-called “hallway study”, a two part experiment conducted by American psychologists Dov Cohen and Richard Nisbett in the 1990s on male University of Michigan students, both northern and southern students. [10]
Chicken point
(insulted)Chicken point
(non-insulted)Southerners 37-inches 108-inches Northerners 75-inches 75-inches
“Our taste for justice is a useful illusion.”
Term | # | Usage | Note | |
Force (F) | 21+ | (Ѻ) | “Prosperous Northerners often make charitable donations to help such people. Nevertheless, they object to being forced to help the foolish …” (pg. 67) | Noticeable in Greene’s section "The Duty to Help" (pg. 261-63), is the Coriolis work transmission principle: namely that the component of force acting on a material entity multiplied by the distance of space traveled by the entity equals the work done by the force, amid which Greene seems to argue that "mere physical distance", in regards to morally obligatory questions, such as helping a drowning child in a pond directly in front of you versus helping a starving child in hurricane ridden country, really doesn't matter, that "people who are insensitive to distance are morally abnormal". among other snippets of blurry assertion. |
Distance (d) | 9+ | (Ѻ) | “Our sense of moral obligation is heavily influenced by mere physical distance. Should physical distance matter? …. People who are insensitive to distance are morally abnormal.” (pg. 261) | |
Work (W) | 51+ | (Ѻ) | ||
Reaction | 14+ | (Ѻ) | “… conducted a series of experiments examining our reactions to identifiable, as opposed to statistical victims.” (pg. 263) | |
Gut reaction | (Ѻ) | |||
Movement | 13+ | (Ѻ) | “The harder question, from a biological point of view, is why we sometimes are moved by the plight of nearby strangers.” (pg. 262) | The so-called “biological point of view” is a baseless point of view, being that hypothetical “life force”, the root of the term “biology” (Theodore Roose, 1797) has been found to be something that does not exist (see: defunct theory of life), as per the work of the Helmholtz school. |
Move | 7+ | (Ѻ) | ||
Power | 13+ | (Ѻ) | ||
Powerful | 6+ | (Ѻ) | ||
Bond | “Ants, for example, confer benefits on their genetic relatives, but, so far as we can tell, ants are not motivated by tender feelings. Among humans, of course, caring behavior is motivated by feelings, including powerful emotional bonds that connect us to our close relatives.” (pg. 31) | The assertion that ants don’t have feelings—and by implication powerful bonds—whereas humans do, seems to contradict Greene’s earlier (pg. 20) statement that ants and humans have evolved or formed from “molecules joining together” by the “same principle”, molecular joining implying chemical “bonding”, thus insinuating some type of two natures argument, i.e. that ants and humans are of different natures, in regards to bonds, power, movements, actuated by "feelings", which derive from the senses, which, as James Maxwell (1847) correctly says, derive from force: [7]“The only thing which can be directly perceived by the senses is force, to which may be reduced light, heat, electricity, sound and all the other things which can be perceived by the senses.” |
“So is there really a moral difference between the nearby drowning child and the faraway children who need food and medicine? These cases certainly feel different, but we now know that our intuitive sense of moral obligation is at least somewhat unreliable, sensitive to things that don’t really matter, such as mere physical distance and whether we know, in a trivially minimal way, whom we are helping.” (pg. 264)
The crying baby scenario study as seen in the 2008 National Geographic documentary, the “Science of Evil”, showing Greene and Jonathan Cohen, director of Princeton’s Center for the Study of Brain, Mind & Behavior, whom Green started working with in 1999, watching brain activity as a women is show the question on a video screen while being imaged, the village scenario shown in the documentary being that of an African village. [1] |
“Enemy soldiers have taken over your village and will kill any civilians they find. You are hiding in the cellar of a house with a group of townspeople, and you hear the soldiers enter the house. Your baby starts to cry, and the only way to quite him is to hold your hands over his mouth and, eventually, smother him. But if the baby keeps crying, the soldiers will discover your group and kill everyone, the baby, included. What should you do?”
“A moral judgment is ultimately a balance of several different considerations—the initial, primal reaction; empathy; cultural or religious norm; and individual reasoning. Sometimes these will be inline and make the decision an easy one, but often they will conflict.”
“According to the utilitarians, the distinction between doing and allowing is morally irrelevant, or at least has no independent moral force. A harm is a harm is a harm, we say, and there is no fundamental distinction between the harms that we actively cause and harms that we merely allow to happen. Given our values and our circumstances, does it make sense to draw a moral distinction between what we do and what we allow to happen?”
“Personal force may play a role in action plans as well. The events in an action plan are arranged not just in a temporal sequence but in a causal sequence. Each event causes the next, as we go from the body movement to the goal. There is evidence that we represent causes in terms of forces. When you see one billiard ball knock into another, all that you pick up with your retinas is balls in a series of location, lie the frames of movie. Nevertheless, we intuit, apparently correctly, the delivery of a force from one ball to another. Thus, the kinds of forces represented in an action plan—personal force verses other kinds—may affect the extent to which one feels as if one is personally causing harm.”
“‘Force dynamics’ refers to a previously neglected semantic category—how entities interact with respect to force. This category includes such concepts as: the exertion of force, resistance to such exertion and the overcoming of such resistance, blockage of a force and the removal of such blockage, and so forth. Force dynamics is a generalization over the traditional linguistic notion of ‘causative’: it analyzes ‘causing’ into finer primitives and sets it naturally within a framework that also includes ‘letting’, ‘hindering’, ‘helping’, and still further notions. Force dynamics, moreover, appears to be the semantic category that uniquely characterizes the grammatical category of modals, in both their basic and epistemic usages. In addition, on the basis of force dynamic parameters, numerous lexical items fall into systematic semantic patterns, and there exhibit parallelisms between physical and psychosocial reference. Further, from research on the relation of semantic structure to general cognitive structure, it appears that the concepts of force interaction that are encoded within language closely parallel concepts that appear both in early science and in naive physics and psychology. Overall, force dynamics thus emerges as a fundamental notional system that structures conceptual material pertaining to force interaction in a common way across a linguistic range: the physical, psychological, social, inferential, discourse, and mental-model domains of reference and conception.”
“What happens if we look at the brain and after a while it becomes clear that all of human behavior is ultimately just a product of neurons firing at each other and ultimately controlling muscles that ultimately constitute our behavior? Is that good is that bad? If the soul is out of a job, well some people, obviously, would think that’s terrible, but the worst thing we could find out is that we don’t have souls. But, it could also be a wonderful thing, and the thought is that belief in souls could do a lot of damage. Perhaps the most extreme example is take the events of 9/11. People who committed those highjacks believed their bodies were going to die, but that their souls were going on to live a very pleasant existence. Could they have been brought to do that if it were not for their belief that their souls were participating in a higher purpose?”
Green’s 2013 Moral Tribes, wherein he outlines the field of “moral neuroscience”, which he helped to pioneer over the last decade, via asking people morally tricky questions while inside an MRI machine. [3] |
“The brain is a mechanistic system, everything that determines our behavior is ultimately a physical process, if that's true, and I think people have speculated about this since antiquity and more so during the enlightenment, but now it's increasingly clear that everything that affects your behavior is ultimately just one neuron making another neuron fire. It's one physical process going all the way back in time back to before you were born.”
“There’s no magic formula, no bright line between the extremes of perfectionism—ideal utilitarian—and unbridled gluttony … there’s just an ill-defined Goldilocks zone between two extremes.”
“The philosophy of one century is the common sense of the next.”— Henry Beecher (c.1865), second opening quote in Greene’s Moral Tribes
“Most people are dualists. Intuitively, we think of ourselves not as physical devices, but as immaterial minds or souls housed in physical bodies. Most experimental psychologists and neuroscientists disagree, at least officially. The modern science of mind proceeds on the assumption that the mind is simply what the brain does. We don't talk much about this, however. We scientists take the mind's physical basis for granted. Among the general public, it's a touchy subject.”— Joshua Greene (2011), “Social Neuroscience and the Soul’s Last Stand” [14]